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that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. all in with chris hayes" starts right now. çhris hayes >> tonight on all in -- >> sending arms to so-called moderate islamic rebels in syria is a fool's errand and will only make isis stronger. >> over objection, the senate approves the president's plan to train and arm syrian rebels. >> i want to thank leaders in congress for the speed and seriousness with which they approach the this issue. >> we'll look at what the phrase moderate rebels really means. plus new disturbing details surface about the latest nfl player accused of domestic abuse and child abuse. >> after she was physically assaulted he took a shoe and threw it at their 18-month-old child. >> and scotland goes to the polls to decide whether to leave the united kingdom. >> that's not a tattoo.
it's a birthmark. >> all in" starts right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. the senate just voted to give the obama administration the authority it needs to train and arm members of the syrian opposition. president appearing on camera in just the last hour to praise members of congress for getting it done. >> i that we're strongest as a nation when the president and congress work together. i want to thank leaders in congress for the speed and seriousness with which they approached this urgent issue. the strong bipartisan support in congress for this new training effort shows the world that americans are confronting in confronting the threat from isil. >> and as of this evening, congress moved to fund the government through december 11th to arm the rebels a significant change in american policy and close up shop for the next six weeks till after the midterm elections. the authorization was rolled into a resolution which passed by a vote of 73-22, but not before certain senators voiced very strong objections including
rand paul in an extended speech from the senate floor. >> the moss covered too long in washington crowd cannot help themselves. war, war. what we need is more war. but they never pay attention to the results of the last war. we shouldn't give a free pass to have forever intervene in the civil wars of the middle east. intervention created in chaos. sending arms to so-called moderate islamic rebels in syria is a fool's errand and will only make isis stronger. >> paul was joined by a handful of senators across the aisle including an unusually fired up mark begich of alaska. >> here we are once again, going to have solve some civil war issues in a middle east. instead, the countries in the region are starting to maybe we'll help a little. they need to put troops on the ground.
they need to step up to the plate. i heard somebody talking about combat troops. absolutely not. absolutely not. >> well, senators could have blocked the unanimous consent required to expedite the authorization if they wanted to, but the decision by leadership in both parties to package it with the government funding bill that would keep the government open made that a politically difficult move. legislation includes reporting requirements to ensure congressional oversight but say where the funding will come from. congress still hasn't take action to take a broader. chuck hagel told a house panel the u.s. is ready to begin. >> centcom's plan includes targeted actions against isil safe havens in syria. including its command and control, logistics capabilities and infrastructure. general dempsey and i have both
approved and spent considerable time reviewing and adapting the centcom plan which general austin as i noted briefed to the president in tampa yesterday. >> and now with congress adjourned till november 12th, members are heading home to dedicate themselves to the midterms after having worked eight days since july. joining me senator bernie sanders. why did you vote no? >> i voted no because i do not want to see of this become a war between east and west, a war between christians and islam, a war between the united states and isis. the bottom line is, we will not be successful until the countries of the middle east themselves become engaged and are prepared to take on this terrible organization called isis. chris, many people don't know this. saudi arabia has the fourth largest military budget in the world. they spend more than the united kingdom and france. if we talk about isis being a
threat, they are most definitively a threat to the countries around saudi arabia and around egypt. those are the guys who are really threatened. where are they? where is kuwait? where are -- where is turkey? so i don't want to see this be a war between the united states and isis. these guys have got to the commit both militarily and financially. last point on this issue. turns out, of course, that the saudi family is worth hundreds of billions of dollars, one of the wealthiest families in the world. you tell me why taxpayers in the state of vermont who can't afford to send their kids to college are in a sense subsidizing the efforts of one of the wealthiest families on earth. doesn't make a lot of sense to me. bottom line is, i support the president's effort in terms of air strikes and i support our effort to bring the international community together. but we are not yet there. these are the guys in saudi arabia and other countries that are going to lead this effort.
we work with them. this should not be an american war. >> what do you say to people watching this all unfold that see congress home for the august recess, come back, spend a few weeks, slamming the president. there's no leadership. where's the plan? you know, going in front of the cameras. and then they vote for authorization. they don't even rote to authorize military force inside the nation of syria and go home after working for two weeks? >> well, there is a reason why the united states congress is hovering at around 10% in favorability ratings. but i want to say this, you, you know, i hear many of my colleagues especially the republicans criticize the president because, quote unquote, he didn't have a strategy for isis. well, i remember a president and a vice president bush and cheney they had a strategy. they were forceful. they were bold. they took action. and they committed the worst
foreign policy blunder in the modern history of the united states. the result of which we are trying to deal with today. >> do you ever. >> so, go ahead, i'm sorry. >> do you ever feel, rand paul brought this up. do you ever feel like this entire thing feels like this tragically faded enterprise where we -- this is the fourth successive american president who's ordered air strikes against iraq. this is basically in some sense a sort of 20-year war. do you feel that there's this cycle that doesn't seem we can break. >> chris, let me tell you what the nightmare is. the nightmare is that a u.s. fighter plane gets shot down or some american soldiers are taken captive. the war hysteria rises in this country. our troops get sent into battle. you're already seeing republicans are talking about boots on the ground. and this becomes a perpetual
war, a never-ending war. meanwhile, by the way, between the media and the congress, we lose track of the fact that 12% of our people are unemployed, minimum wage is a starvation wage of $725. we have more wealth and income inequality than any country on earth. everybody will be focusing on military action. >> thank you, sir. despite calls to help the syrian opposition in their fight against assad, it's something the white house resisted for the duration of the syrian civil war. although there have been reports in the past of covert cia aid to the rebels. now congress has given the obama administration and department of defense explicit authority to provide both training and arms to syrians fighting assad and isis provided and this is a statutory language they are "appropriately vetted," the term we keep hearing this group that will receive american aid is moderate rebels. >> moderate opposition.
>> the moderate opposition. >> the vetted moderate syrian opposition forces. >> moderate opposition. >> what exactly does that mean? on a battlefield as horrific and complicated as the syrian civil war, among the worst war zones in the world, can you call anyone moderate? legislation describes the groups who qualify as those free of "? >> associations with terrorist groups shia groups -- and groups associated with the government of iran." such groups are not limited to the islamic state of iraq, jabhat al nusra, other al qaeda groups and hezbollah. the question is with all those categories, what is left to fight in syria? joining me columnist molly crabapple. she was on the border recently reporting on the rebels fighting there. the last story you wrote with the two fighters, what group were they from? >> they were from the islamic front. >> so the islamic front. i think there's so many groups fighting there. where does the islamic front lie
in the spectrum of bad rebels and quote moderate opposition? >> the term moderate rebel is first meaningless and second islam ma phobic. there are all sorts of groups of varying degrees of religiosity or secularism. what's important is not how long their beards are. what's important is whether they respect human rights and whether or not they've committed war crimes. >> we have this idea, the spectrum has been sketched it's a single spectrum that is kind of religious extremism and at one end is isis and then you move in and it's al qaeda or the nusra brigades and you work your way to the secular army. that is not exactly the spectrum necessarily of who is not killing people needlessly or who is preserving human rights. >> there are huge, huge variety of brigades in syria as the war has progressed, they have fractured especially because so much of the funding for these armed groups was through private
donors or covertly through governments. brigades would fracture to try to get more funding >> it's like an acme ba, if you split into the two cells, you can write another grant application to whatever doan ser funding it. >> there was an amazing it essay in the london review of books called how to make a battalion in six easy steps about how a brigade would break apart into two because a second in command would think he can get more money from a private donor himself. >> all of these fish sues downtown represent anything coherently ideologically on the ground, right? >> these people are all primarily committed to overthrowing assad. this is what's most troubling about what obama is saying. you have a group of people have fought the most brutal bloody civil war.
a revolution against their government. obama thinks he can turn them into his special proxy war to fight his war. >> they are not going to fight the american war p. they're going to continue fighting on the ground the way they've been fighting >> exactly. i got a quote from a media activist and asked him what he thought about obama's speech. and he said that you he hopes he's honest but that he doesn't trust obama and thinks obama just wants to have them fight isis to protect him rather than fighting to protect the syrian people. >> there is the case they are already fighting isis. >> they are absolutely. >> or ar al sham which is one of the groups we can't get arms to. some of the most intense fighting against isis comes from al qaeda and the nussra brigades and jihadi groups. >> the syrian opposition is very committed to fighting isis but their primary enemy is assad. that's who they've been fighting for 3 1/2 years. >> why wouldn't it be the case that injecting our money to whoever you end up injecting in the zero sum world of this crazy battlefield does reduce the
power or force of isis? >> well, here's norris interesting question, right? these people have been fighting for 3 1/2 years. why do they need more training in saudi arabia? >> right. >> and there is recently an article in lebanon's daily star where they interviewed an commander and he said my guys are defected military officers. we have been fighting for years. we don't need more training or need to be told. >> out of like the place which is like the most intense battle in the world where all we do is fight all day and all night. somewhere elsewhere we can train so we can come into this very unique battle space. >> the notion we're going to take 5,000 people train them for a year in saudi arabia and stick them back nook syria to defeat isis is a bit confused. >> what about the fighters you've talked to and you're in contact with and what you've seen when you've been on the border, my understanding is arms
tend to circulate in this kind of environment. you can give arms to this cadre of people. after battles people take weapons from other people. it's not like weapons don't circulate. >> in wars people capture each other's arms. when isis took over the air base recently from assad's forces they confiscated a lot of arms provided by iran for assad. >> they posted pictures of themselves with surface-to-air missiles. >> exactly. no one can prevent their weapons from being taken over by the people that they're fighting because battles are lost and people take weapons. >> when you're dead and there with your armaments they're going to fall into the hands of the enemy whoever that might be. >> exactly. one of the other things that's disturbing about obama's speech is that he frames yemen and somalia as models of success. >> there's right. i saw a reporter, there's fighting breaking out in yemen as we speak. molly crabapple, thank you very much. >> thank you. grim new details on the case
>> you know it's a big vote when there are flame throwing bagpipers outside your polling places. this is from the outskirts of eden brother p tonight scotland will decide whether it officially wants to leave the british empire. scottish people exercising their will as human beings. will they continue to labor under english rule or seize their own freedom? it all reminds me of the famous mel gibson movie lethal weapon 3. going live to edinburg.
new details are emerging in the latest domestic violence arrest in the nfl. court documents released today detail the charges against arizona running back jonathan dwyer. according to the police report on july 21st this year, after his wife refused his sexual advances, "he head butted her in the face which she later learned caused a nasal broken fracture. police are investigating a second incident alleged to have taken place the next day. they say he pun punched her and picked up a shoe and threw it striking their 17-month-old son in the stomach. police say the boy was not injured. the report says as his wife tried to call 911, he grabbed her cell phone and threw it down from the second story residence. dwyer was arrested yesterday among the charges aggravated assault causing a fracture and aggravated assault involving a minor. neighbors called the police during the first incident as it was happening and police say dwyer admitted to hiding in the bathroom but he denied any physical assault.
police say his wife fled the state and reported both incidents last week after receiving text messages from dwyer in which he threatened to kill himself. the cardinals now placed dwyer on something called the reserve nonfootball illness list meaning he will continue to get paid while the cardinals have the option not to pay him. his arrest makes five high profile cases of alleged domestic or child abuse the nfl is grappling with this season. ray rice seen in the video knocking his fiance now wife out cold in an elevator. adrian peterson indicted for reckless or negligent injury to a child tore beating his 4-year-old son. greg hardy convicted in july of assaulting his girlfriend and threatening to kill her. and ray mcdonald who is being investigated on allegations he assaulted his pregnant fiance and the only player yet to be taken off the field of those five. the key question emerging in the wake of all this are does the nfl have a particular domestic violence problem?
is this a specific issue for a league whose game is predicated on actual violence where hitting someone is the point or is the nfl just a high profile example of a society wide problem, a place that finds itself under the microscope. 538 crunched numbers trying to find out. they discovered in general nfl players have a much lower arrest arrest rate than the national average. that probably has something to bo of do with the fact the poverty rate among nfl players is zero and poverty is connected to higher levels of arrest. domestic violence, they discovered although the nfl arrest is below the national average at 55%, that percentage is more than four times than the league's an arrest rate for all other offenses 13% of the national average. and domestic violence among nfl players compared to 538's estimated 21% nationally. joining me is mike weiss, sports columnist for the "washington post."
as someone who covers football and covering this scandal, how do you see this? do you see this as a league with a particular problem? do you see this as essentially a league that has the problem the rest of society has that is now coming under the microscope because of the way it is handling it. >> i think both of those, chris. especially the latter. this is a league essentially that has now suspended activated resuspended, this is like moral stands of musical chairs. and unfortunately, all the moral stands are driven by public backlash and sponsor backlash, not by what's right and what's good and commissioner roger goodell, you know, this exempt list he's found convenient for harboring some of these people until their cases are resolved, i'm wondering if he's on it himself. i haven't seen him for a week. >> it is remarkable how radio silent he has gone. a week of probably the most
tumultuous week of negative coverage in the modern era of the nfl and goodell has not been before a camera in a week. what do you think is going on there? >> this is a man who basically loves to wipe the dirt off his blazer and stay away from the bad news when he can. i just don't understand how you be could step away from this and put your owners out in front, put you know, god knows some of his football coaches. john harbaugh, ron rivera, some of the things said by them in a tone deaf manner regard to domestic violence this week has told you these men are football coaches. they don't need to be talking about anything else but their football teams. and the commissioner of the nfl is absent in probably, i don't know, one of the biggest crises he's ever had to deal with. and one that may personally cost him his job.
it's explicable that he's not voicing his opinion or at least trying to lead during this crisis. >> one of the things i found most interesting about the data that the 538 ran was in the general population, the most common arrest is for drugs. in the nfl, drug arrests are very, very uncommon. there's the biggest gap is in between nfl arrests and general population is for drugs. and the smallest gap is for so des mick violence. that's the place where -- it makes you think, right? you go back to when rice was suspended for two games and other players suspended for marijuana possession that if the league were to take domestic violence as seriously as it does drugs, those numbers might look different. >> yeah, i go back to everybody says is the nfl in a bad spot right now. i don't really care about the nfl. i think the nfl is going to survive. people are going to eat. there are domestic violence victims out there, some of which weren't heard from a couple
years ago because nobody had a video of someone knocking their wife out in an elevator. and so i think we really need to focus on them more than we do the nfl. if they're calling for roger goodell's job and calling for policy reforms and they're asking the nfl to grow up and be a real american corporation instead of this $10 billion colossus that's tone deaf, i'm going to listen to them before i'm going to listen to any sponsor or owner. >> there's one silver lining as you talk about people who are on the wrong end of the abuse, survivors of that abuse. the national domestic hot line saw an 84% increase in phone calls in the two days after the rice video was released. >> tremendous. >> and you wonder also in the case of dwyer, are you know, it appears to be precipitated by a threat to kill himself. also it's within the midst of this. you wonder how many people might be finding ability and strength to report things that hadn't happened before because of the attention on this right now. >> i think that's a fair point.
i'm still troubled by a league that is essentially had harboring guys that hit women. and get away with it and go on to be employed. i have a problem, i know it's very convenient from the nfl players association standpoint they don't have to grieve a suspension when someone is paid when they're out of work but the notion that adrian peterson is being paid right now, the notion that greg hardy is being paid, a convicted who has been convicted of domestic violence. so it's bothersome. >> mike wise, thank you so much. >> thank you, chris. >> we have breaking news to report tonight on what federal investigators have to say about new jersey governor's chris christie's involvement in bridgegate ahead. breaking news tonight. 'wóóñt
breaking news tonight. federal officials tell nbc the justice department's investigation into governor christie's role in the bridge gate scandal so far revealed no information he either knew in advance or directed the closure of traffic lanes on the george washington bridge. over that investigation remains on going and it's not the only one. a democratic-led new jersey state legislative committee is still investigating the traffic problems in ft. lee and a manhattan da that the circumstances surrounding port authority funding for the renovation of a different new jersey bridge, funding he pushed for. other reports of an ongoing bridgegate investigation by the u.s. attorney's office in newark. stay tuned.
as we mentioned before, the reason that is good news for democrats is without taylor on the ballot, the republican incumbent pat roberts might get beaten by the independent greg orman who might caucus with democrats. the democrats need all the help they can get to hang on to a u.s. senate majority although taylor ended his candidacy earlier this month, it was just today that the kansas supreme court ruled that taylor's name must be removed from the ballot. highly significant because taylor was splitting the anti-roberts vote and if his name stayed on the ballot he was bound to get votes on election day which is why republicans obviously wanted his name to stay on ballot and why according to the "washington post" "the republicans are expected to demand that democrats put up a replacement nominee for taylor. it's unclear whether they can force that. joining me dillon scott, reporter for talking points memo. taylor says he's going to withdraw his name from the ballot. it appears because democrats think that without him, orman might win and might caucus with the democrats.
he's the best chance to beat roberts. taylor writes a letter to the secretary of state who is an infamous conservative activist named kris kobach and what happens next? >> at that point, kobach decides that under state law and his interpretation of it, taylor is not allowed to withdraw from the race. taylor promptly sued kobach and then we went to the supreme court who issued their ruling today. their interpretation of the state law is that taylor's letter was sufficient to take his name off the ballot and so yeah, now the ball's in kobach's court. he's already said that he thinks that the democrats have to name a replacement for taylor but it's not sure what recourse he has to force them to do that and whether there's enough time to get the ballots printed so they can be sent out to absentee and military voters. >> as all there is happening, or man is surging ahead in the polls. there's polls indicating he's
neck and neck with roberts and may even be beating roberts in certain polls. so was the big question was if taylor are stays on the ballot it was going to be hard for orman to win because taylor would take some votes. if it's a match-up between roberts and or olympian, what does the race look like now? >> the polling has been pretty consistent back since august when a pollster first did an orman versus roberts match-up without taylor. that match-up orman was leading roberts i believe by 10 points. some of the polling since that if you take taylor's name off the ballot that tends to give four or five points to or man and so there's no question that orman's in a lot better position to pull this upset if taylor especially or any democrat is off the ballot and that's why i think you've seen the fight to get taylor off the ballot. >> one of the things that's a little unclear to me is or man has said he's an independent. he hasn't said who he will caucus with. roberts tried to make that issue in the campaign. roberts has run a very, very
moribund campaign, questions about his residency, he was barely campaigning. orman is a businessman and seems fairly charismatic figure. why do democrats want to put their eggs in that basket? why do they think orman is going to end up caucusing with them? >> maybe they know something you and i don't, chris, for starters. it's based on obviously he briefly considered a 2008 run as a democrat against roberts. that's kind of the most public evidence that we have that he would choose to caucus with the democrats. he always emphasizes that he's supported people like bob dole given money to both republican and democratic candidates. but the best, yeah, the best evidence we have is he's toyed with running as a democrat before. obviously, it's just a win for democrats in general if they're forcing republicans to defend a seat that they didn't think was going to be in play this year. >> this does scramble the board right now.
kansas was never considered a closer contested race. all the energy had gone into places like alaska and louisiana and you know, michigan, north carolina. so this really changes things from a republican standpoint. how much money are they going to pour into this thing to try to save roberts? >> that's a good question. they've already sent in a dream team, if you will, to try to rehabilitate the roberts' campaign. some topnotch national operatives. some people like john mccain, rand paul said they're going to stump for roberts on the ground. so clearly, they're kind of pulling out all the stops. i think that's much evidence as you need that they really believe the seat is in play and they have to defend it. so we're two months away or less than two months away from the election at this point. so it's going to be all out as far as i can see for the next month and a half. >> dylan scott from talking points memo, thank you very much. >> thank you. kansas is a wildcard in a mid-term landscape in which democrats must win five out of
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all right. here's where things stand. democrats only have a five seat majority in the senate. 55 democrats and 45 republicans and that includes the two independents who caucus with the democrats. of the 36 senate seats up for re-election this time around, republicans are expected to make gains. and yet, if democrats could win five out of nine key races, they would hold on to a majority of 50 seats with vice president
biden providing the tiebreaker in a 50/50 split. democrats only have to maintain a tie because they have the vice presidency. here are the nine states in order of importance outlined by our next guest. colorado, michigan, iowa and north carolina. those key senate races in those four states by no means safe for democrats are clearly winnable. democratic incumbents are polling well in colorado with mark udall and in michigan and iowa, open races democrats have real shots particularly in iowa helped with a republican candidate who has said a lot of extreme things. if democrats prevailed in all four, then they just need one more. like alaska or kansas although the polling is thin in alaska. democrat incumbent mark begich is seen as having an uphill battle. that's why kansas could be key to democrats if they can't hold on to alaska. then there's the south. arkansas, louisiana and georgia which are all red states and all tough prospects for democrats in
any election. however, you got democratic incumbents that might survive in arkansas or louisiana particularly arkansas with seminar mark pryor and democrats might pull off an upset win in georgia with the michelle nun. joining me nate kohn covers lakes polling and dem graphs in the upshot. nate, here's what's interesting to me. all the models seem to be converging towards a prediction of essentially something looking more and more like a 50/50 fight, tight, tight race for democrats to keep the senate. is that your accepts? >> i think that's right because the democrats appear to still have a tenuous advantage in the four states you mentioned, north carolina, michigan, colorado and iowa. and then they really do still seem to have many options to get that 50th seat. it's a tenuous route but the route is still open and one that hasn't been closed off. this evening's news in kansas makes the pathway easier to imagine. >> what's interesting to me about the four states you said
where it looks we can say very tight but leaning at this point to democratic north carolina, michigan, colorado, iowa, in three of those right, michigan, colorado, you're dealing with blue states, right? north carolina was blue in the 2008 and 2012. how much in your model does the presidential performance and the general kind of political tenor of the state figure into it the prediction of which way it goes in a contested senate race? >> to be clear, "the new york times" upshot senate model is not mine by amanda cox and josh katz. they deserve all the credit for na. that said, there is a strong relationship between the partisanship of a state and how it will vote in senate elections about half of the variation we see in the outcomes of senate elections seems to be related to the partisan of a state in a presidential are election. that's a big part of why the democrats are cleanly pulling ahead maybe in michigan and why they have an apparent advantage in colorado. for the republicans to win all they have to do though is unify these red states. if they can pick off the
democratic incumbents in the red southern states, louisiana and arkansas and they can beat mark begich in alaska and hold on in kansas, they can get all the way to majority without picking off a sing the state that john mccain failed to win in 2008. >> so let's talk about alaska for a second. mark begich son of a former congressman from alaska. today he voted no. one of 22 people to vote no in the vote of the authorization to train syrian rebels which struck me as interesting. he was fairly passionate about it. but we don't know a lot about this race. why don't we have a better sense of what's going on in alaska? >> basically everything makes alaska difficult. reporters can't get out there because it's thousands of miles away. it's difficult to poll because you have a lot of people that you know aren't on land line telephones and are using a regular telecommunications services. only a third of alaska towns are accessible by road. you have a large population of alaskan native who's represent
about 14% of the voting eligible population who i'm not sure are captured very well by traditional telephone surveys. the state is small no bigger than the average congressional district. from polling conscious districts, those are very difficult because you run out of sample. if you try to poll registered voters you could dial every voter in the state before you have enough respondents to your survey. all of that makes it difficult and so far this year, the pollsters aren't trying. not a single traditional live interview by "the new york times" and cbs news or the kind commission by nbc and marist. >> the race that might make or break democratic control of the senate is basically a black box at this point? >> absolutely. i think that you could convince me that dan sullivan is clearly ahead in alaska. that could be the truth where that race is at or mark begich could be ahead. i don't think we know.
if the states all shake out the way they look they'll shake out and if the republicans, if pat roberts ultimately retakes the lead in kansas, the election will come down to alaska. at midnight we'll go to alaska and have no idea what's happening >> thanks. the polls are closing. the counting is under way as scotland votes whether to leave the united kingdom. we'll go to edinburg for the latest next.
going onto the no camp and to point out, this race had been very solidly for the campaign for most of this time. we saw yes coming back and that narrowed it. >> richard, as we look form ward, what is the key county for you as we look at numbers? >> we're looking for eden burro, the capitol. that will be a lot of votes.
the popular vote matters here. really eden burro, any time in the next 20 minutes or so will decide this. >> we go to allister. all eyes where you're at. >> absolutely. this is the national overall result counted. so the excitement is melting here and is coming down to the wire because as you just heard, that there, a fairly substantial yes vote because of the mathematics, even though the number of area is voted smaller. that's much more significant and although we are head k towards a lower victory, the fact that it's almost half of scott lalan about to break out. is a major significant.
a big night for everyone. >> the thoughts from the yes camp as they look at some results in that seems to be skewing in a way they don't want it to go. >> certainly, we've not had anything like a concession of defeat for them because it's far from clear. it could go either way to be clear but i think privately yes, it looks like they may have lost but certainly, i don't think yet that they can -- anybody can be embarrassed by their performance. went well, they had a huge amount of support and reenergized the campaign. >> all host 5: -- almost 5:00 local time. they won't give up as of yet.
we got a large population center. >> this is not looking good for the yes campaign. they cut very close and had a couple polls that put them ahead. when you look at these results courtesy of our friends at the bbc, you're looking at counties, one big one that came in giving them some votes. they are down overall seven points right now in the tally. if eden burro comes in big, that could change things around. the capitol city leans towards the union. >> this is a popular referendum and will come down to the absolute numbers. >> yes, it will come down to the overall amount of votes. the overall vote in scotland is what matters and that will be declare in a few hours. what matters is out english react because these results are
going to increase english nationalism, we expect tomorrow to hear how the english say we want more votes for ourselves. >> when the announcement comes down, how will will that be made either way? >> it will be made on the podium which is in front of me. you can't quite see it. the final result will be declared from a stage here and that really will be the signal that all is said and done and i understand we are about to get the result in the next three to four minutes but as we were hearing there, it is a financial center and also conservative city. it would be amazing if a large majority voted yes. >> right. >> i think certainly looks like it will go in the way of no and i suspect that will tip the balance over the finishing line.
>> thank you so much. richard wolf in new york. we'll continue processing the votes and monitor the referendum in scotland. we'llmaddow. stay tuned. we'll have the latest information for you right here. >> all eyes are on scotland. the polls closed about four hours ago at 10:00 p.m. local time, 5:00 p.m. on the east coast of the united states, only the very first returns are in. we don't know exactly when a full result will come in but the count is under way right now, it's expected to go all night overnight in scottland. we'll have live coverage from edinburgh tonight including some of what the coverage looks like on scottish television. we've got that coming up ahead. we'll update you on the poll results as they come in from scotland so that's happening also. the nbc station here in new york tonight broke some big news about the